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Sazira
06-19-2015, 10:12 AM
hi! so i found a plastic bag with 5 tiny puppies in it, they've all lost their umbilical cords so they must be a few days old. i bought some formula, 4 of them are drinking like maniacs, one isn't. i'm taking them to the vet this afternoon. most of them have some scabby things on their hind legs and tummies. got any suggestions or advice? thanks

i'll be posting their progress and some photos here

LPC
06-20-2015, 12:34 AM
A warm welcome to the forum! It is wonderful that you have taken in these puppies. You have carried out a compassionate deed. Many blessings to you for doing that.

One concern I would have is whether the puppies had the chance to drink colostrum from their mother before they got separated from her. Passive immunity is vital if all the puppies are to survive. But as you say that they looked a few days old when you found them, probably they had the chance to get some of the vital early mother's milk. You can read about colostrum here: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2108&aid=846 The vet will be able to check out their health (including the scab issue) when you take them to him/her.

Please come back and tell us what the vet says. I hope that the one puppy not drinking makes it.

Sazira
06-20-2015, 11:31 PM
Hey! Thanks!

So the vet said they're actually a whole week old so they must've grunk that colostrum. She said they're doing well and the scabs are nothing to worry about, only if they ever start having some pus or stuff like that. The one that wasn't drinking is now drinking like a maniac but the smallest one is now causing me concern, he's drinking but not much... The vet said not to worry too much as they may just be adapting to the new milk. We'll see

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Sazira
06-20-2015, 11:33 PM
Their poop. Is it normal? And do you have any ideas to make them stop sucking on eachother's penisses? And is drinking eachother's urine bad for them?

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LPC
06-21-2015, 01:31 AM
Did you show the faeces to the vet? It doesn't look too good to me, but it might need looking at under a microscope. Puppies this young will suck almost anything, so the best you can do is keep directing them to the mother's teats, or to the bottle's teat, if you are using one. Are you sure that they are getting enough to drink? Did the vet advise you on how much milk to give, and how often?

On your next visit to the vet, don't forget to mention these issues (especially the faeces). Sweet pictures! Thanks for posting them.

Sazira
06-21-2015, 02:17 AM
They drink until they're full, 10 - 15 ml each, except for the small one which is drinking but not much. I'm feeding them every 3 hours and yes the vet approves. They hadn't pooped yet when i went there so i didn't tell her about that. I read that it's normal for them to suck on eachother's penisses but i'm still worried about them drinking pee...

LPC
06-21-2015, 04:54 AM
I still recommend that you get the faeces checked by the vet on your next visit. Young pups generally have loose stools which look a bit like mustard with the seeds. Yours look similar, but a few of them look a bit too dark. In all probability the stools are OK, but it is difficult to tell for sure from a photo. It is best to take a sample to the vet next time you go, to be on the safe side. If the pups are doing well generally, then that is a good sign.

Regarding drinking urine, opinions differ, but in all likelihood they are just drinking a liquid which is near at hand. There is brief article here: http://www.ehow.com/facts_5690832_do-puppies-drink-urine_.html (There are links and references at the end).

In small quantities it shouldn't be harmful, but in any case be vigilant and encourage the puppies to drink from the mother or the bottle. If you see a puppy drinking urine, offer milk instead.

Sazira
06-21-2015, 05:10 AM
If you see a puppy drinking urine, offer milk instead.

Won't i be overfeeding them that way? I read that their poop looks like that because they're drinking too much, so I'm feeding them every 4 hours now

Sazira
06-21-2015, 05:59 AM
The one that's not drinking that well has reddish bumps with pus on his belly!! Look!

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Is it bad?

LPC
06-21-2015, 09:30 AM
Won't I be overfeeding them that way? I read that their poop looks like that because they're drinking too much, so I'm feeding them every 4 hours now
Puppies up to their first week should be given little and often, then it very gradually gets larger and more spaced out. There is excellent advice here: http://pets.thenest.com/much-milk-new-puppy-need-11671.html

LPC
06-21-2015, 09:36 AM
The one that's not drinking that well has reddish bumps with pus on his belly!! Is it bad?
It is difficult to say. This problem does occur with puppies, and is generally pyoderma and often not serious. But it can be a symptom of other problems, such as a bacterium requiring treatment. Only a vet can tell for sure, by looking closely and testing (if necessary). Here is a page written by a vet about this problem: http://www.askavetquestion.com/answer_np.php?id=1175-red-bumps-on-puppys-belly

If the problem persists, then a visit to the vet is called for.

Sazira
06-22-2015, 07:59 AM
the bumps are almost gone now but i have a bigger issue with the penis sucking thing! they're constantly doing it and i can't be there all the time to stop them and even if i do they just turn around and do it again... can i put lemon juice or something on there so they stop liking it? i'm at a loss!

LPC
06-22-2015, 09:10 AM
Personally, I would not recommend putting anything near the genital area. If you feel it necessary, then do be very careful! The genital area is sensitive and nothing strong should be put anywhere near it. There is a list of smells that dogs don't like at http://dogcare.dailypuppy.com/smells-repel-dogs-1603.html However, almost all of them are quite unsuitable for direct application to the genital area, and some of them totally unsuitable for putting on to a dog's body anywhere. Citrus smell near but not on the genital area is a possibility, but the same warning applies. You could cause the puppy pain if the citrus essence is licked and transferred to the penis.

It is best to play safe and not apply anything strong. You could ask your pet for advice at your next routine visit.

Tobi
06-26-2015, 05:17 PM
Hello Sazira, I have only just seen your post. First of all -you have already really helped those little pups. Without you they would be dead now. Shame on whoever dumped them in that plastic bag!

I don't know a great deal about raising pups. But LPC has given you some good links for advice. And you are probably going to need your vet's advice too, as it's not possible for even the cleverest kindest people to know what is wrong with a pup over the internet.

They are probably sucking each others' penises because they are looking for a nipple, and instinctively find something that feels a bit like a nipple!
Of course that will make the pup pee. The mother will lick the genitals of her pups to stimulate them to pee when they are very young, so it will have the same effect if another pup does it.
A drop or two of urine isn't going to harm them, but drinking it regularly isn't such a great idea. The only way I can think of to stop this is what LPC already mentioned -and that is being very watchful, and every time you see a pup do that, guide it to the bottle teat, or even a hygienic 'comforter' or 'dummy'.
If they were with the mother, they would nurse when they wanted to I suppose....but I am unsure about exactly what amount of milk a pup needs, and how often. But LPC gave you some good advice.

I wouldn't put ANYTHING on their penises, certainly not lemon juice or anything acidic. To illustrate I will tell you an acutely personal story. One day many many years ago I thought it was a good idea to slosh lavender water all over myself and some ran down to a 'private area'. I had to sit in a bucket of ice cold water for quite a while...
Lemon juice would have the same effect!

I wouldn't recommend using anything else bad-tasting-to-dogs either. You don't want to upset their digestive systems, or cause rashes on a delicate area like the penis.

I would say if you have any health concerns with them, don't wait too long but ask your vet. Testing their poop for parasites etc might be a good idea, but I am not sure when that should be done, and when any treatment may be used (how old they have to be) Many puppies are born with worms for instance. You will need vet's advice about that.

It's going to be hard dedicated work with a lot of broken sleep. But in my view you get a medal for working so hard to help these beautiful pups. Bless you.