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countrychic10
05-18-2007, 12:40 AM
A nationwide class action lawsuit has been filed against pet food companies AND retailers for misleading consumers regarding contents of pet food.

http://www.mflegal.com/petfoodlawsuit

This situation has gotten entirely out of hand. Everytime I go in a store that sells pet foods (pet store, grocery, Wal-Mart, feed & farm stores, and sadly, even VETS) I am seeing items that are on the recall list!!!! I had to go pick up some Frontline at the vet's the other day and in the clinic they had numerous pet foods..I asked why they had these recalled items out and they said they were part of the "bad recall batch" and were safe. I wrote down the package info on 3 different brands, along with serial numbers and dates and guess what?!?!?!?!!? All 3 were on the freaking recall list.

This problem can not and will not get better if stores continue to carry recalled products and CLAIM they aren't part of the "bad batches".

The whole thing agravates me to no end to say the least. We had a segment on our local news a few nights back about a local woman with 3 yorkies that got sick from recalled food. They called the dog food Co. and of course they offered to pay the vet bill's (to save their sorry butt's legal troubles). Well 2 of the yorkies remained on intensive care but recovered. Sadly one lil' yorkie did not make it. :( What made me angry though is this stupid owner of the dogs was on TV boasting about how wonderful the Co. was in resolving the problem and footing the bill..and they even REPLACED her dog she lost and she was happily showing off her new Yorkie puppy on TV along with the 2 surviors!! :x First of all, had it been me I would not be bragging on a Co. responsible for the DEATH and injury of my furkids, and I would take it as a major insult and slap in the face if they would have assumed that buying me another dog would have even come close to repairing the damage they had caused.

Anywho...sorry for the rant, this stuff just gets me so upset. Alls I can say though is thank God I don't have to worry over this mess...least not yet. I'm sure people food will be the next thing to have contaminants... :(

Shortie
05-18-2007, 08:08 AM
I completely agree that makes me angry too >=l. I love how the big corporation screw up and then they spend some money and spin the whole story around. What a cover up! How are villians all of suddenly a heros? thats soooooo mess up

ritabooker
05-18-2007, 09:55 AM
See? This is why we missed you, Crystal. I share your outrage. The only way to be sure that your not still getting a bad batch is to never buy from a company that has been on the recall list. That narrows the options considerably. They need to receive a message in their bank accounts. They act like it was the fault of the Chinese company that provided the contaminated gluten, but there is no need (except $) for these companies to import ingredients. Our food should be grown and processed in the USA... I am not very "Globally oriented" regarding food.

Someday Abby may be a "RAW" dog, if this keeps up. She would totally love that.

countrychic10
05-18-2007, 01:38 PM
See? This is why we missed you, Crystal. I share your outrage. The only way to be sure that your not still getting a bad batch is to never buy from a company that has been on the recall list. That narrows the options considerably. They need to receive a message in their bank accounts. They act like it was the fault of the Chinese company that provided the contaminated gluten, but there is no need (except $) for these companies to import ingredients. Our food should be grown and processed in the USA... I am not very "Globally oriented" regarding food.

Someday Abby may be a "RAW" dog, if this keeps up. She would totally love that.

LOL! It's great to be missed and even better to be back to ranting. LOL :wink: :)

Sadly, I don't think they'll get the message in their bank accounts for many reasons. #1 being that the recalled food continues to be sold, even by the people we trust to have our pet's health as top priority #2 people do not educate themselves and stay on top of these things, and then of course #3 Some people could care less and just buy whatever is on the shelf (for the cheapest price of course). Case in point, my new neighboors. They breed Rotties (poor looking creatures plauged with numerous faults and health issues) I have spoke to them about better kibbles and they don't care and still continue to feed Ol' Roy garbage! :x

It's sad too, that many of the people who do care about what their dog eat are running out of food options as the recall list gets longer on a daily basis & the contaminants increase. Some holistic foods who claim to have no grains have even been put on the recall list, much to the shock and horror of several people who thought they would be safe by not feeding a kibble with grain products.

Such a shame, but I know it makes me look a lil' less crazy now. :wink: Even my vet has backed off of me on the "anti RAW" and has even asked for some information on it!!!

I know there is no way to make sure everything is completely safe..even human food (The PB recall, a recall on chicken in some states and even a recall on some premade hamburger patties in the states north of me just to name a few "people food issues") but I do feel much better that I KNOW for a fact what my dog's (and human family) are eating and I don't have to stress over whether or not my pup's dinner will be on the recall list.

ritabooker
05-18-2007, 04:28 PM
"Sadly, I don't think they'll get the message in their bank accounts for many reasons. #1 being that the recalled food continues to be sold, even by the people we trust to have our pet's health as top priority #2 people do not educate themselves and stay on top of these things, and then of course #3 Some people could care less and just buy whatever is on the shelf (for the cheapest price of course)." by countrychic

Yes, boycotts don't work unless everyone participates, and boycotts are seldom convenient.

Arazante
05-18-2007, 07:26 PM
There was a petition I signed and letter I wrote to the congressmen, it was either from here or one of the mailing lists I get from ASPCA or Humane Society that is asking there be a law that requires the companies to be more specific and clear what is in the food and what it does, since the pet foods aren't required to be as specific or careful as human food. Either way, I hope it works, because yes, this is all ridiculous. What I hate most is that the companies will send millions of apologies and get right back to selling their crummy foods the next day. They don't care.

Shortie
05-22-2007, 09:36 AM
There any Pet Food Company that produces their food in America? maybe those are the better choices, they are probably more strict about food regulations. And if they mess up, there are not chinese to blame!

countrychic10
05-22-2007, 10:05 AM
Whether manufactured here or overseas there will always be problems with the pet food industry IMO. Hence one of the reasons I don't feed it. :wink:

There have been recalls on OUR food..just recently the peanut butter contamination and such...

If we have problems with our own food supply, I highly doubt that much effort will go into our PET'S food to make sure it is safe. Not to mention the regulations for pet food is very vauge and leaves several "loop holes" for the manufacturer's to cut cost and use less than satisfactory products and ingredients.

Thankfully there are still a few good quality kibbles out there for folks.. I just hope these items don't eventually make their way on to the recalled list...

ritabooker
05-22-2007, 10:39 AM
There any Pet Food Company that produces their food in America? maybe those are the better choices, they are probably more strict about food regulations. And if they mess up, there are not chinese to blame!

Canidae claims to aquire all their ingredients from inside the USA. They also do not add alot of the nasty preservatives that some kibbles add.

Crystal is right, there is no way to be certain the kibble is safe, but I am too lazy to feed raw at this point, so I researched until I was satisfied and now feed Canidae All Life Stages kibble to Abby. She has gotten over some skin, digestion, and urinary issues since she went on the Canidae. Abby thinks RAW would be even better the Canidae.

countrychic10
05-22-2007, 11:44 PM
Canidae claims to aquire all their ingredients from inside the USA. They also do not add alot of the nasty preservatives that some kibbles add.

Crystal is right, there is no way to be certain the kibble is safe, but I am too lazy to feed raw at this point, so I researched until I was satisfied and now feed Canidae All Life Stages kibble to Abby. She has gotten over some skin, digestion, and urinary issues since she went on the Canidae. Abby thinks RAW would be even better the Canidae.

LOL Ritabooker! You always crack me up. If Abby is anything like Brutus I'm sure she would be happy with whatever you fed her. Heck Brutus would be happy if you gave him anything from a nice slab of pork to a bowl of bran flakes. LOL :roll:

I know several people who are long time Canidea feeders and they have been thrilled that there food is still safe. If I'm not mistaken isn't Innova still okay too???

As far as whether or not your the kibbles are safe..who can ever tell.?...

More frightening, who can ever tell if OUR own food is okay. :? When that PB recall went out my MIL had been using the recalled product for at least 2 weeks, then there was that recall on the pre-made hamburger patties. Can't remember all the details (I'll have to dig for the link) but it was a recent recall release and it was recalling all the patties made in April of 2006! Yea...waited a YEAR to inform people that it might be bad meat...how scary is that???????

DogMom
05-23-2007, 06:26 AM
I agree, this pet food recall has gotten out of hand. There's one lady on eBay selling a home-made dog food recipe book for $30 a pop and boy, she's making a pretty nice penny on it.

I'm pretty sure some forms of Canidae have been put on the recall list. I remember reading the most updated list and was surprised to see it on there. I was also surprised to see Natural Balance, which is a food I've always seen "brag" about having no "fillers".

But, unfortunately, I think these kind of problems are going to continue for a long time. People will always have different opinions on what our animals need. I strongly believe in BARF, I think fruit and veges are important for the added vitamins and nutrients they provide. My personal feelings are that meat and bone are simply not a sufficient diet plan. Crystal, I know you feel otherwise and that you are comfortable with RAW feedings though. And there are people out there who will only feed the A+ kibbles, for obvious reasons. And others out there who believe if it's FDA approved, it must be okay. Or if it's not a necessary ingredient, companies wouldn't be allowed to put it in the food or put the food on the shelves. So since Ol Roy is available, all the ingredients must be okay for our pets and those people will continue to purchase and feed it.

The fact is, the bags can be as specific as they want to be but it won't make any difference.....or at least won't make much of one. Most people just don't care. Most people don't see their pets as anything more than a dog or a cat. It's not a member of the family (my neighbors are a great explanation--9 dogs and 1 cat and every single one of them are outside 24/7 rain or shine). Then you've got my dog who has learned how to open the door on her own and lets herself in as she pleases. lol

I personally just don't feel this recall is going to really make any difference in how owners care for or feed their pets. It's going to end the same as every other recall in this world--the item is recalled, people return the item and go out and buy something similar (if not the same thing that has been approved). So Ol Roy has been recalled, big deal, those people who fed it with either buy a new bag of it or will go back to the store and just buy another brand.

As for me, I'm tired of it. I get my share of crap for feeding BARF and RAW to both my cats and dogs. I had one lady recently threaten to call the police on me for neglect for my choice of feeding. She claimed raw food was dangerous and not intended as a food plan (because you don't find packages of chicken in the dog food aisle) and because I refused to feed appropriately intended foods (such as kibble), I was being neglectful to my animals. I told her she was welcome to her own opinions about the way I feed and if she felt the police needed to be involved, I gave her the number for animal control and the name of the supervisor (who is a good friend of mine and also feeds RAW).

Sorry, I'm ranting now too I guess. I'm mentally exhausted with all of this. To the original post, no, if I had lost my dog due to the recall, replacing her would not help me in the least bit; in no way would it fix what happened.

And one more thing.....perhaps this is simply a coincidence but I found it rather interesting. I am fostering a litter of puppies right now for my local SPCA. I feed BARF and RAW to all my animals, the 3 week old puppies up to the 10 year old dog. But when it comes time for my puppies to find new homes (usually around 10 weeks), I slowly switch them to kibble at the SPCA request because the majority of people in my area feed kibble. Anyway. I had 7 pups. 3 had URI's so only 4 got their second set of modified live vaccination one week. 2 of those who got shots were scheduled for new homes so they were slowly being switched to kibble. The rest were eating BARF and RAW still.

Somehow, I managed to bring Parvo home. Amazingly, the 3 with URI's who didn't get the vaccination didn't get sick. The 4 who got the vaccination did get sick. The two eating BARF and RAW tested positive on Friday and with some antibiotics, replacement meal vitamin and an herbal Parvo remedy, they were back to eating chicken and rice by the following Monday. The 2 who got their shots and were eating kibble......died before the weekend was out.

Coincidence, sure, perhaps. But interesting nonetheless.

countrychic10
05-23-2007, 08:00 AM
Great post Dogmom! :) And no...meat and bone alone are NOT a suffiecient diet plan, and I truely hope I haven't made people think that it is by not being specific in my post. A prey model, RAW diet that consist of meat, bones and organs in the proper percentages from a variety of protein sources is however. :)

Either way, to each his own and BARF has been proven to be wonderful so I have no issues with it. It would be my next feeding choice next to RAW. :wink:

I'm sorry your neighboor is being an @ss about your diet. Weird though because most people are shocked by what I feed...not because they think it is bad but because they think I spoil my babies too much (lol, which is probably true to some extent) After all...how many dogs around here get a nice pork roast or hunk of venison for breakfast??? lol I constantly get "Wouldn't it be easier just to pour some kibble in a bowl???" LOL

Either way, your taking great care of your furkids and I'm sure their health and body condition can attest to that fact.

I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of puppies.....it is so saddening to loose them so little.

Interesting info about the vaccines and such though..leaves a lot for ppl to ponder.

Shortie
05-23-2007, 10:10 AM
Have you guys tried Homestyle Select? My dog is currently using that product. Read up on it, itís pretty good. It was NOT on the recall list and there are visible chunks of veggies in it. Also it reads 70% fresh meat on the label. Im not a dog food specialist but im pretty satisfied with their product.

countrychic10
05-23-2007, 10:28 AM
Have you guys tried Homestyle Select? My dog is currently using that product. Read up on it, itís pretty good. It was NOT on the recall list and there are visible chunks of veggies in it. Also it reads 70% fresh meat on the label. Im not a dog food specialist but im pretty satisfied with their product.



I don't feed a kibble of any sorts but I have been trying to collect a list of the foods that are still "safe" for a friend of mine..

I haven't heard of that one before...what company manufactures it? Where do you usually buy it?

ritabooker
05-23-2007, 11:56 AM
I have checked the list for recalled foods (updated May 22) and could find no Canidae on the list. Dogmom: Is there a link to a list that I have maybe not seen, that you can direct me too? If Canidae is on a recall list I certainly want to be aware of it. Thanks.

countrychic10
05-23-2007, 12:04 PM
Rita,

I'll check on some of the other boards I'm a member of and see if they know anything about Canidea.

So far the one's that come to mind are Innova and Canidea as far as "still good foods" go.

ritabooker
05-23-2007, 01:10 PM
Thanks, Crystal.

I have checked Canidae's site and the recall list, and googled Canidae, and all my info comes back negative for a recall, ever.

DogMom
05-23-2007, 01:35 PM
I could be wrong. Truth be told, I'm not even paying much attention to the recall list anymore. I'm so frustrated and upset with the whole ordeal anymore and since I stopped feeding kibbles to the dogs and cats and stopped with wet food for the puppies and kittens, any store-bought crap that gets recalled is of little concern to me. But when I do happen to glance at it, that's all it is--a quick little glance. So don't quote me on anything.

ritabooker
05-23-2007, 07:20 PM
Have you guys tried Homestyle Select? My dog is currently using that product. Read up on it, itís pretty good. It was NOT on the recall list and there are visible chunks of veggies in it. Also it reads 70% fresh meat on the label. Im not a dog food specialist but im pretty satisfied with their product.

Hi Shortie: The ingredients list on the Homestyle Select says Chicken and Liver as the first two ingredients, that is good. The protein percentage is only 10% which is lower than alot of dog foods, but the fat percentage is lower than Canidae(for example) so that is good. The brewer's rice in the Homestyle is not the highest quality form of grain(whole grain is best), but the specific meat and vegetable sources tend to outweigh that in my opinion.
Also, I did not see any scary chemicals in the ingredients list and that is a very good thing.
Overall, Homestyle Select looks better than many other dog foods to me. I feed Canidae and it has not been recalled. Canidae has probiotics which are working well for Abby. She has no more upset stomach since going on Canidae.

Here are links to site which rate dog foods based on ingredients:
http://animalark.eapps.com/animal/PetFoods.nsf/$$PetFoodsByManu?OpenForm
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showcat.php/cat/8
http://www.acreaturecomfort.com/ratingpetfood.htm

The third link is an interesting but not perfect system for analyzing ingredients. I think it is a decent guide for choosing a kibble. These sites are not saying any food is safe from recall, though, just rating for nutritional value.

Dave
08-23-2008, 09:42 AM
We had a lot of worry over what to feed our dogs. We had two, Suzy, a standard Yorky, and Hannah, a Cairn, both terriers, over 17 +14 = 31 years!

Suzy had the usual mix of dry foods and canned foods and did ok but was never in very good health, and as I now realize had symptoms of chronic mild scurvy. Her gums and teeth were in very poor state as she aged.

But with Hannah we had the awful (and very unusual) occurrence of an acute retention of urine due to bladder stones. So I did some research and changed her diet to a raw one, which resulted in a general improvement of health as well as stopping the stones.

For a detailed account of her diet change have a look at her case history which I wrote up at the suggestion of her vet. She said that diet and bladder stones are closely connected.

A 'raw' diet and Bladder Stones -

http://bladderstones.googlepages.com/hannah

We did not give bones as bone fragments caused so many problems - ask any vets. Hannah was given bones by my mother who always gave her dogs bones, and as a result the vet had to remove bone splinters from Hannah's rectum when she suffered agony trying to pass her stools. I have those splinters to this day. They are flakes and very sharp - not funny !